7mm Manning Wardle Old Class i: a self-designed 'kit'

spikey faz

spikey faz

Western Thunderer
John Baker said:
Currently Slaters do a set of Manning Wardle pattern wheels that are the correct size - I used them on version 3 above. I intend producing some myself - just developing a boss to fit onto slaters axles, and a jig to keep everything in line and concentric. They should be available in the next couple of months :)
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Hi John

Your kit looks so very tempting! :) I see that you are looking to produce your own wheels for this. As I (try to) model to Scaleseven standards I was wondering if your wheels would be suitable for Scaleseven?

All the best
Mike
 
John Baker

John Baker

Western Thunderer
spikey faz said:
Hi John

Your kit looks so very tempting! :) I see that you are looking to produce your own wheels for this. As I (try to) model to Scaleseven standards I was wondering if your wheels would be suitable for Scaleseven?

All the best
Mike
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Now you're leading me down a rabbit hole! Currently, the only tyres I have are for fine scale, but I could produce some for scale 7. The kit only has chassis parts for fine scale though.....
 
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Bob Essex

Western Thunderer
When I built mine all those years ago now (35) it never ocurrred to me that one day a bespoke kit for them would be available. Well done, absolutely brilliant.

It’s interesting to see that a HL gearbox and motor are suggested as the power plant. When first done mine used a home brew 80-1 job mated to a TA12 16x30 can but a revision to DCC sound has seen a HL 60-1 roadrunner + used instead.

Bob
 
RichardG

RichardG

Western Thunderer
I have read the instructions for the chassis assembly and parts of the body, and asked AI to give me a summary of the whole booklet. The summary reads remarkably well so I've pasted it in below. The prototype is perfect for my layout project, where I have two other MWs. So this can be my project for next autumn/winter :)

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The document is a detailed assembly guide for a model kit of the Manning Wardle Old Class I 0-6-0 locomotive, including historical context, specifications, and construction instructions.
General Arrangement Drawing and Specifications
This section provides detailed dimensions and specifications for the Manning Wardle Old Class I 0-6-0 locomotive model.
  • The drawing is produced to a 7mm scale and should not be used for precise measurements.
  • Standard class dimensions include:
    • Cylinders: 11in. x 17in. or 12in. x 17in.
    • Wheel Diameter: 3ft 1½in.
    • Wheelbase: 5ft 5in. + 4ft 10in.
    • Boiler Diameter: 2ft 9in.
    • Length: 7ft 3in.
    • Total Heating Surface: 345ft².
    • Water Tank Capacity: 420 Gallons.
    • Length Over Buffer Beams: 18ft 6in.
    • Height: 9ft 9in.
    • Weight: 15T (empty) and 16T (loaded).
Construction Advice and Materials
This section offers essential advice and materials needed for constructing the locomotive model.
  • Read instructions thoroughly before starting the build.
  • Use nickel silver (0.4mm) and brass (0.3mm) etched frets, which may require cleaning and filing for a perfect fit.
  • Clean all metal parts before soldering to ensure strong joints.
  • Recommended solder is 145o, but personal preferences may vary.
  • Use a jig for chassis construction to ensure square frames for smooth running.
  • The kit requires additional components: wheels, motor, and gearbox.
Chassis Construction Steps
This section outlines the step-by-step process for constructing the chassis of the locomotive.
  • Coupling rods are made by laminating three layers and can be articulated or fixed.
  • Motion bracket assembly requires careful handling to avoid bending.
  • Ashpan and cylinder heads must be prepared and soldered correctly for proper alignment.
  • The chassis must be assembled squarely, with specific attention to frame spacers and supports.
  • Brake blocks and mechanisms are detailed, emphasizing the importance of correct positioning for functionality.
Loco Body Assembly Instructions
This section details the assembly process for the locomotive body components.
  • Splasher sides and trims must be carefully handled to avoid distortion.
  • Buffer beams are constructed from multiple layers, including a wooden middle section.
  • Valances and retaining nuts are added to the footplate for structural integrity.
  • The bunker and flare require precise shaping and soldering for a proper fit.
  • The firebox and smokebox assembly includes specific castings and requires careful alignment.
Final Assembly and Detailing
This section covers the final assembly steps and detailing of the locomotive model.
  • Cab sides are shaped and attached, with handrails added for realism.
  • Ensure all components are securely soldered and aligned for a sturdy build.
  • Additional detailing includes adding rivets and other small components to enhance authenticity.
  • The assembly process emphasizes the importance of precision and attention to detail for a successful model.
Tank Construction and Installation Process
The tank assembly involves detailed steps for constructing and installing the tank onto the model locomotive.
  • Punch out rivets along the tank's sides and top, and pre-form the curve on the top face.
  • Solder the inside former halfway down the tank and fold the sides down to attach to the former.
  • Ensure the tank fits well between the smokebox and firebox, soldering the boiler tube to the tank from below.
  • Add fixtures such as the filler cap, injectors, and clack valves, ensuring proper alignment and fit.
Weatherboard and Roof Assembly Instructions
The weatherboard and roof assembly includes optional steps for enhancing the model's appearance.
  • Solder spectacle plate rims to the weatherboard and attach it vertically to the firebox.
  • Identify the inside and outside of the cab roof, ensuring correct placement and soldering of retaining straps.
  • Form the roof to fit the model, using a 7mm radius for bends, and attach support brackets.
  • It is recommended to epoxy the roof after painting and weathering the model.
Buffer Assembly and Functionality
The buffer assembly involves preparing and securing the buffer heads for functional movement.
  • Open out the 0.7mm holes in the buffer housing and insert springs cut in half.
  • Secure buffer heads with 0.7mm wire, ensuring they can push in and out with spring action.
  • The assembly should allow minimal side movement while maintaining a firm hold.
Detailing and Miscellaneous Parts Installation
This section covers the installation of various detailing parts to enhance the model's realism.
  • Assemble sandboxes and attach them to the footplate, ensuring proper placement.
  • Create and install the reverser reach rod and draincock reach rod, using 0.45mm wire for connections.
  • Construct cab steps from multiple parts for added detail and strength.
  • Position suspension springs at the back edge of the splashers for realism.
Cab Floor and Final Touches
The cab floor installation focuses on preserving wood grain and adding final details.
  • Cut and attach oak veneer strips to the cab floor, ensuring they are perpendicular to the direction of travel.
  • Use brown washes or wood stain for painting, allowing the grain to show through.
  • Attach the handbrake stanchion and reverser lever to complete the cab detailing.
 
spikey faz

spikey faz

Western Thunderer
RichardG said:
I have read the instructions for the chassis assembly and parts of the body, and asked AI to give me a summary of the whole booklet. The summary reads remarkably well so I've pasted it in below. The prototype is perfect for my layout project, where I have two other MWs. So this can be my project for next autumn/winter :)

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The document is a detailed assembly guide for a model kit of the Manning Wardle Old Class I 0-6-0 locomotive, including historical context, specifications, and construction instructions.
General Arrangement Drawing and Specifications
This section provides detailed dimensions and specifications for the Manning Wardle Old Class I 0-6-0 locomotive model.
  • The drawing is produced to a 7mm scale and should not be used for precise measurements.
  • Standard class dimensions include:
    • Cylinders: 11in. x 17in. or 12in. x 17in.
    • Wheel Diameter: 3ft 1½in.
    • Wheelbase: 5ft 5in. + 4ft 10in.
    • Boiler Diameter: 2ft 9in.
    • Length: 7ft 3in.
    • Total Heating Surface: 345ft².
    • Water Tank Capacity: 420 Gallons.
    • Length Over Buffer Beams: 18ft 6in.
    • Height: 9ft 9in.
    • Weight: 15T (empty) and 16T (loaded).
Construction Advice and Materials
This section offers essential advice and materials needed for constructing the locomotive model.
  • Read instructions thoroughly before starting the build.
  • Use nickel silver (0.4mm) and brass (0.3mm) etched frets, which may require cleaning and filing for a perfect fit.
  • Clean all metal parts before soldering to ensure strong joints.
  • Recommended solder is 145o, but personal preferences may vary.
  • Use a jig for chassis construction to ensure square frames for smooth running.
  • The kit requires additional components: wheels, motor, and gearbox.
Chassis Construction Steps
This section outlines the step-by-step process for constructing the chassis of the locomotive.
  • Coupling rods are made by laminating three layers and can be articulated or fixed.
  • Motion bracket assembly requires careful handling to avoid bending.
  • Ashpan and cylinder heads must be prepared and soldered correctly for proper alignment.
  • The chassis must be assembled squarely, with specific attention to frame spacers and supports.
  • Brake blocks and mechanisms are detailed, emphasizing the importance of correct positioning for functionality.
Loco Body Assembly Instructions
This section details the assembly process for the locomotive body components.
  • Splasher sides and trims must be carefully handled to avoid distortion.
  • Buffer beams are constructed from multiple layers, including a wooden middle section.
  • Valances and retaining nuts are added to the footplate for structural integrity.
  • The bunker and flare require precise shaping and soldering for a proper fit.
  • The firebox and smokebox assembly includes specific castings and requires careful alignment.
Final Assembly and Detailing
This section covers the final assembly steps and detailing of the locomotive model.
  • Cab sides are shaped and attached, with handrails added for realism.
  • Ensure all components are securely soldered and aligned for a sturdy build.
  • Additional detailing includes adding rivets and other small components to enhance authenticity.
  • The assembly process emphasizes the importance of precision and attention to detail for a successful model.
Tank Construction and Installation Process
The tank assembly involves detailed steps for constructing and installing the tank onto the model locomotive.
  • Punch out rivets along the tank's sides and top, and pre-form the curve on the top face.
  • Solder the inside former halfway down the tank and fold the sides down to attach to the former.
  • Ensure the tank fits well between the smokebox and firebox, soldering the boiler tube to the tank from below.
  • Add fixtures such as the filler cap, injectors, and clack valves, ensuring proper alignment and fit.
Weatherboard and Roof Assembly Instructions
The weatherboard and roof assembly includes optional steps for enhancing the model's appearance.
  • Solder spectacle plate rims to the weatherboard and attach it vertically to the firebox.
  • Identify the inside and outside of the cab roof, ensuring correct placement and soldering of retaining straps.
  • Form the roof to fit the model, using a 7mm radius for bends, and attach support brackets.
  • It is recommended to epoxy the roof after painting and weathering the model.
Buffer Assembly and Functionality
The buffer assembly involves preparing and securing the buffer heads for functional movement.
  • Open out the 0.7mm holes in the buffer housing and insert springs cut in half.
  • Secure buffer heads with 0.7mm wire, ensuring they can push in and out with spring action.
  • The assembly should allow minimal side movement while maintaining a firm hold.
Detailing and Miscellaneous Parts Installation
This section covers the installation of various detailing parts to enhance the model's realism.
  • Assemble sandboxes and attach them to the footplate, ensuring proper placement.
  • Create and install the reverser reach rod and draincock reach rod, using 0.45mm wire for connections.
  • Construct cab steps from multiple parts for added detail and strength.
  • Position suspension springs at the back edge of the splashers for realism.
Cab Floor and Final Touches
The cab floor installation focuses on preserving wood grain and adding final details.
  • Cut and attach oak veneer strips to the cab floor, ensuring they are perpendicular to the direction of travel.
  • Use brown washes or wood stain for painting, allowing the grain to show through.
  • Attach the handbrake stanchion and reverser lever to complete the cab detailing.
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Richard : Stop tempting me to buy one! :)

Mike
 
John Baker

John Baker

Western Thunderer
RichardG said:
I have read the instructions for the chassis assembly and parts of the body, and asked AI to give me a summary of the whole booklet. The summary reads remarkably well so I've pasted it in below. The prototype is perfect for my layout project, where I have two other MWs. So this can be my project for next autumn/winter :)

. .

The document is a detailed assembly guide for a model kit of the Manning Wardle Old Class I 0-6-0 locomotive, including historical context, specifications, and construction instructions.
General Arrangement Drawing and Specifications
This section provides detailed dimensions and specifications for the Manning Wardle Old Class I 0-6-0 locomotive model.
  • The drawing is produced to a 7mm scale and should not be used for precise measurements.
  • Standard class dimensions include:
    • Cylinders: 11in. x 17in. or 12in. x 17in.
    • Wheel Diameter: 3ft 1½in.
    • Wheelbase: 5ft 5in. + 4ft 10in.
    • Boiler Diameter: 2ft 9in.
    • Length: 7ft 3in.
    • Total Heating Surface: 345ft².
    • Water Tank Capacity: 420 Gallons.
    • Length Over Buffer Beams: 18ft 6in.
    • Height: 9ft 9in.
    • Weight: 15T (empty) and 16T (loaded).
Construction Advice and Materials
This section offers essential advice and materials needed for constructing the locomotive model.
  • Read instructions thoroughly before starting the build.
  • Use nickel silver (0.4mm) and brass (0.3mm) etched frets, which may require cleaning and filing for a perfect fit.
  • Clean all metal parts before soldering to ensure strong joints.
  • Recommended solder is 145o, but personal preferences may vary.
  • Use a jig for chassis construction to ensure square frames for smooth running.
  • The kit requires additional components: wheels, motor, and gearbox.
Chassis Construction Steps
This section outlines the step-by-step process for constructing the chassis of the locomotive.
  • Coupling rods are made by laminating three layers and can be articulated or fixed.
  • Motion bracket assembly requires careful handling to avoid bending.
  • Ashpan and cylinder heads must be prepared and soldered correctly for proper alignment.
  • The chassis must be assembled squarely, with specific attention to frame spacers and supports.
  • Brake blocks and mechanisms are detailed, emphasizing the importance of correct positioning for functionality.
Loco Body Assembly Instructions
This section details the assembly process for the locomotive body components.
  • Splasher sides and trims must be carefully handled to avoid distortion.
  • Buffer beams are constructed from multiple layers, including a wooden middle section.
  • Valances and retaining nuts are added to the footplate for structural integrity.
  • The bunker and flare require precise shaping and soldering for a proper fit.
  • The firebox and smokebox assembly includes specific castings and requires careful alignment.
Final Assembly and Detailing
This section covers the final assembly steps and detailing of the locomotive model.
  • Cab sides are shaped and attached, with handrails added for realism.
  • Ensure all components are securely soldered and aligned for a sturdy build.
  • Additional detailing includes adding rivets and other small components to enhance authenticity.
  • The assembly process emphasizes the importance of precision and attention to detail for a successful model.
Tank Construction and Installation Process
The tank assembly involves detailed steps for constructing and installing the tank onto the model locomotive.
  • Punch out rivets along the tank's sides and top, and pre-form the curve on the top face.
  • Solder the inside former halfway down the tank and fold the sides down to attach to the former.
  • Ensure the tank fits well between the smokebox and firebox, soldering the boiler tube to the tank from below.
  • Add fixtures such as the filler cap, injectors, and clack valves, ensuring proper alignment and fit.
Weatherboard and Roof Assembly Instructions
The weatherboard and roof assembly includes optional steps for enhancing the model's appearance.
  • Solder spectacle plate rims to the weatherboard and attach it vertically to the firebox.
  • Identify the inside and outside of the cab roof, ensuring correct placement and soldering of retaining straps.
  • Form the roof to fit the model, using a 7mm radius for bends, and attach support brackets.
  • It is recommended to epoxy the roof after painting and weathering the model.
Buffer Assembly and Functionality
The buffer assembly involves preparing and securing the buffer heads for functional movement.
  • Open out the 0.7mm holes in the buffer housing and insert springs cut in half.
  • Secure buffer heads with 0.7mm wire, ensuring they can push in and out with spring action.
  • The assembly should allow minimal side movement while maintaining a firm hold.
Detailing and Miscellaneous Parts Installation
This section covers the installation of various detailing parts to enhance the model's realism.
  • Assemble sandboxes and attach them to the footplate, ensuring proper placement.
  • Create and install the reverser reach rod and draincock reach rod, using 0.45mm wire for connections.
  • Construct cab steps from multiple parts for added detail and strength.
  • Position suspension springs at the back edge of the splashers for realism.
Cab Floor and Final Touches
The cab floor installation focuses on preserving wood grain and adding final details.
  • Cut and attach oak veneer strips to the cab floor, ensuring they are perpendicular to the direction of travel.
  • Use brown washes or wood stain for painting, allowing the grain to show through.
  • Attach the handbrake stanchion and reverser lever to complete the cab detailing.
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I never thought of getting AI to read through it for me! Gives a nice generalised overview of the 25 or so pages of text & photos :) I was going to say it's a shame AI can't build it as well, although that would spoil the fun....
 
Overseer

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Marc Dobson said:
Plenty of NSW examples to build.
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I think only two. Manning Wardle engine numbers 32 and 72 were ordered by contractors working in NSW and were standard Old Class I. The Old Class I locos ordered by the NSW government had longer boilers (7'9" instead of 7'3") which meant a longer wheelbase. They had 11" cylinders but for modelling purposes starting with a Class K (12" cylinders and the 7'9" boiler) would be more accurate.
 
RichardG

RichardG

Western Thunderer
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I want to keep the etches wrapped up until I start the build, but in the meantime here is a photo of the other parts in the kit.

All of the castings are in brass, and there are pieces of wood and veneer to make the buffer beams and footplate. Each piece of wire is labelled, as are the bags containing the small parts. The instruction book is printed in colour throughout.

The kit arrived beautifully packed, in a good cardbord box with this enclosed inside a fitted outer transit box. The packaging looked good enough for shipping worldwide e.g. Australia @Overseer if wanted.

So - so far, I am very pleased with my purchase. An excellent first impression :)
 
Overseer

Overseer

Western Thunderer
RichardG said:
good enough for shipping worldwide e.g. Australia @Overseer if wanted.
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Thanks for the heads up but I don't think I am in the market at the moment. I do like Manning Wardles though, this is Works No. 616, Class K 'Huddersfield' as operated on the Brill Tramway, built in S7 from the Impetus kit back in the 1990s. Bob Essery told me every time he saw the loco that it wasn't a proper colour for a Manning Wardle and that it should be green, so seeing John has painted one of his a similar colour made me smile. It was built as a back up engine for exhibitions and runs very nicely on simple beam compensation. I should have pushed the left side brake blocks back into their proper position for the photo.

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John Baker

John Baker

Western Thunderer
Overseer said:
Thanks for the heads up but I don't think I am in the market at the moment. I do like Manning Wardles though, this is Works No. 616, Class K 'Huddersfield' as operated on the Brill Tramway, built in S7 from the Impetus kit back in the 1990s. Bob Essery told me every time he saw the loco that it wasn't a proper colour for a Manning Wardle and that it should be green, so seeing John has painted one of his a similar colour made me smile. It was built as a back up engine for exhibitions and runs very nicely on simple beam compensation. I should have pushed the left side brake blocks back into their proper position for the photo.

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Out of the three that I built of mine, the green was my least favourite colour - not sure why as I like a dark green, but it just didn't look 'right' (not sure what right is ) on the loco. The blue is probably my favourite, yet that was a Caledonian blue before weathering, and probably very unlikely to have been used on a Manning Wardle anywhere I would think!
 
AJC

AJC

Western Thunderer
John Baker said:
Out of the three that I built of mine, the green was my least favourite colour - not sure why as I like a dark green, but it just didn't look 'right' (not sure what right is ) on the loco. The blue is probably my favourite, yet that was a Caledonian blue before weathering, and probably very unlikely to have been used on a Manning Wardle anywhere I would think!
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Ok, late in life, but sky blue with a white stripe along the tank:

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Manning Wardle Works No 641 No 4 Sharpthorn 0-6-0ST

This locomotive was built by Manning and Wardle & Company in 1877 and has the characteristic bent-over sheet cab roof, and side sheets forming little verandahs each side. One interesting featur…
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I think all these things look better lined: most started out that way and many lived out their entire lives with lined finishes. This is completely subjective, I admit. But I'm not in the market for a large scale Manning, Wardle, either!

Adam
 
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