Kieran Wilding
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There are some photos taken from Flickr of the stripped down frames of 92212 during its current overhaul that may help when enlarged:
Kieran.
Kieran.
7mm Scale 7 MOK 9F in Spain
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Dave Holt
Western Thunderer
Thanks to JimG and Kieran for some very useful photos.
As OzzyO says, these are grease lubrication pipes from the nipple blocks between the wheels to the horn cheeks. On the preserved loco, the pipes all pass through the circular holes in the frames and enter the horn cheeks inside the frames (the pipes to the RH rear horns can be seen in the rear three-quarter shot in Kieran's photos). The pipes for the front two axles do run outside the frames, past the valvegear bracket, before entering the frame holes and will be visible between the two front pairs of wheels.
On the Crosti loco photo, and in the Crewe works photo I found, the pipes to the centre axle appear to be clipped to the outside of the frames - some can just be made out between the spokes on the Crosti's wheels.
I think the two pipes coming over the top of the frames, seen in previous photos, are actually oil feed from the mechanical lubricator to the underkeeps on the rear two axles. To me, they look to be slightly larger diameter then the grease pipes. Typically, oil pipes from mechanical lubricators are 3/8" o/d and the grease pipes are probably 1/4" o/d - not very big, even in 7 mm scale. The grease nipples are about 5/8 to 3/4" diameter and stand out from the block by 3/8 to 1/2", so might be worth representing.
Dave.
As OzzyO says, these are grease lubrication pipes from the nipple blocks between the wheels to the horn cheeks. On the preserved loco, the pipes all pass through the circular holes in the frames and enter the horn cheeks inside the frames (the pipes to the RH rear horns can be seen in the rear three-quarter shot in Kieran's photos). The pipes for the front two axles do run outside the frames, past the valvegear bracket, before entering the frame holes and will be visible between the two front pairs of wheels.
On the Crosti loco photo, and in the Crewe works photo I found, the pipes to the centre axle appear to be clipped to the outside of the frames - some can just be made out between the spokes on the Crosti's wheels.
I think the two pipes coming over the top of the frames, seen in previous photos, are actually oil feed from the mechanical lubricator to the underkeeps on the rear two axles. To me, they look to be slightly larger diameter then the grease pipes. Typically, oil pipes from mechanical lubricators are 3/8" o/d and the grease pipes are probably 1/4" o/d - not very big, even in 7 mm scale. The grease nipples are about 5/8 to 3/4" diameter and stand out from the block by 3/8 to 1/2", so might be worth representing.
Dave.
Be very careful using photos of preserved 9f's. I believe there were a lot of postings on one of the various forums about steam heating not being fitted to the locos in their working life. These were added during preservation so as the 9f's could be used on passenger trains.
It can be the same with a lot of things on preserved locos especially where they are now used for mainline running.
It can be the same with a lot of things on preserved locos especially where they are now used for mainline running.
Len Cattley
Western Thunderer
Thank-you everyone from the photo's, I think that Dave was right about the rooting of the pipes, I think they go to the horn-guied's on the inside of the frames. That is what I will be doing.
Len
Len
Dave Holt
Western Thunderer
Yes, as a general caution, one does need to be wary of preservation changes. Not only the addition of steam heat to freight locos that never had it in BR service, but different types of injectors, often sourced from South Africa.
However, i can't see why anyone would change the horn guide lubrication arrangements, especially when the holes for the retaining clip studs/bolts would already be in the frame plates.
Dave.
However, i can't see why anyone would change the horn guide lubrication arrangements, especially when the holes for the retaining clip studs/bolts would already be in the frame plates.
Dave.
Len Cattley
Western Thunderer
It's been 4 months since I last posted, time flies. I have been making the chassis front (it's been a while since I did another part). I find it a bit difficult doing thinks now. This is a picture of the part.
Len
Len
Len Cattley
Western Thunderer
Thank-you
john lewsey
Western Thunderer
Hi Len, I Will pop over to see you soon. Lynne has been very ill so ive been busy.
Len Cattley
Western Thunderer
Ok, take care, let me know when, then I can see if we are at home.
Len
Len
spikey faz
Western Thunderer
Hi Len
I'm pleased to see you're still building your 9f. I've been working on mine for almost a year and a half now! No rush.
Please keep posting your updates as it all helps to keep me inspired to finish my own build. Hopefully my amateur efforts will prove to be some inspiration to you.
All the best
Mike
I'm pleased to see you're still building your 9f. I've been working on mine for almost a year and a half now! No rush.
Please keep posting your updates as it all helps to keep me inspired to finish my own build. Hopefully my amateur efforts will prove to be some inspiration to you.
All the best
Mike
Len Cattley
Western Thunderer
Hello group, I had better tell you the news, that I am going back to England next month as I need to be with my family. I am having a prostate biopsy so the doctors can check to see what is wrong, that is the reason I am coming back to th UK. I will not be doing any modelling , so I am offloading my tools and books, but I am bringing 3 of my kits back with me. So you might see me back at some shows.
Len
Len
simond
Western Thunderer
Len
sorry to hear of your concerns - hopefully the biopsy will be good news, but even if not, I know three guys who have had prostate treatment and are now well - though they felt pretty rough during the treatment and shortly afterwards, of course.
fingers crossed, and all the best
Simon
sorry to hear of your concerns - hopefully the biopsy will be good news, but even if not, I know three guys who have had prostate treatment and are now well - though they felt pretty rough during the treatment and shortly afterwards, of course.
fingers crossed, and all the best
Simon
Len Cattley
Western Thunderer
Thank-you Simon
Len
Len
Dan Randall
Western Thunderer
I wish you well Len and hope that any news, is good news.
Regards
Dan
Regards
Dan
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Len,
sorry to hear about your prostate problems. I have literally just taken my last 150mg hormone tablet after a six month course and must say that I have felt somewhat groggy for most of that time, which also included twenty radiography sessions over successive days, excluding weekends. I'm expecting things to improve quickly over the coming weeks. I have a blood test booked for next Friday and have a telephone consultation the following Friday and have no reason to expect anything but good news from that, including a big reduction in my PSA reading. The good thing is that the radiotherapy is completely painless and each session only lasts for five minutes or so, it's the preambles that take the time, anything up to 45 minutes. Mine were all around 09.00 to 09.30 each morning so I was home before 10.00 and therefore had the rest of the day for avoiding anything that SWMBO might come up with.
Best of luck for the future.
regards
Mike
sorry to hear about your prostate problems. I have literally just taken my last 150mg hormone tablet after a six month course and must say that I have felt somewhat groggy for most of that time, which also included twenty radiography sessions over successive days, excluding weekends. I'm expecting things to improve quickly over the coming weeks. I have a blood test booked for next Friday and have a telephone consultation the following Friday and have no reason to expect anything but good news from that, including a big reduction in my PSA reading. The good thing is that the radiotherapy is completely painless and each session only lasts for five minutes or so, it's the preambles that take the time, anything up to 45 minutes. Mine were all around 09.00 to 09.30 each morning so I was home before 10.00 and therefore had the rest of the day for avoiding anything that SWMBO might come up with.
Best of luck for the future.
regards
Mike