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Compton castle

Western Thunderer
They are a collaboration between Michelle Davidson and Just Like the Real Thing, the vinegar tank, big bogie tank & road rail milk tanks are previous examples of Michelle's work and she usually does them in RTR batches. the dog fish and cat fish are there first collaboration with more to follow.
 

pete waterman

Western Thunderer
The dogfish is ready but we got the catfish wrong so are re doing parts of it. The ones we have we will use on Leamington. Michelle has been building wagons in batches for years to very limited numbers. Michelle and I have been batch building wagons for Leamington for some years. These are made to be easy build as they are made in batches of 20 If you are making trains of 50 to 60 wagons you have re think things. We will be at the ALSM show this week end showing. For the first time we will be selling them later in the year as kits.
 

pete waterman

Western Thunderer
I think we might be missing the point a bit. not everyone can build etch kits not everybody wants to. There must be room for all to get in to our hobby. The MMP kits are top draw and make up to be the best wagons you will see. But how many do you need! I have looked at another etched loco kit that I need and yes it great but I'm told it takes 250 hours to build ! lets say £12 an hour the kits with wheels and motor cost about £900. £3900 That's more than a Lee Marsh Princess. Is it worth it of course its it. But the kit then come in to the high end price wise. This hobby is not cheap because its so small and there have to be small traders or were dead. If you buy a Tamiya tank kit you make very quickly and then super detail it to what you want. It goes together its well thought out and you become a modeller at the end. YOU MADE IT. How many railway kits never get started or are left half done.
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Pete. As you say, not everyone is up to loco building, whether from kits or scratch (although for many this is because they've never tried. We all started somewhere - I learned my basic soldering skills on a Connoiseur Jinty because there was no RTR around anyway). Personally I get great satisfaction out of building any kit, and although I complain about poor instructions and bad design along with everyone else it is those very kits which give me the greatest learning experience and satisfaction when (eventually) completed. They are, of course, also the very kits which will dissuade newcomers from trying a second time.

You are also right about having good quality, reasonably priced but not necessarily Rolls Royce quality RTR so that new comers can join the mad house at an easy entry level. Such RTR can always be super detailed later if so wished - look at the pages of this very site. I take as a recent yardstick the Lionheart Pannier Tank and Ixion industrials and it seems that the Heljan diesels suit those of an infernal combustion engine bent.

I take issue with you over the cost, though. Of course, if you are going to buy a RTR loco every week or month it's hugely expensive. Some of the RTR stuff is, as you say, expensive in it's own right, and I'm sure we recognise that everyone's financial standing and financial ability to satisfy their cravings is unique. However, if you are able to build it's actually a reasonably inexpensive hobby. Clearly the time taken to build a loco, wagon or coach spreads the cost over a period of time. Compare the costs of modelling in this way with the cost of joining a golf club and associated green fees. Or a season ticket for a Premier League Soccer team. (And don't get me started about the costs of top flight rugby union or cricket nowadays). Model railways are, for some reason, regarded as a rather quirky hobby but I have rarely heard anyone question the spending of a couple of £thousand on an Arsenal season ticket. Your own well publicised enthusiasm, Pete, along with a few other notable figures helps to put this right, but in what other hobby are the combinations of art (scenery and "sense of place"), engineering and science (I'm including electrickery and electronics here) so well combined?

Frankly I reckon we're pretty well served by the trade, whether for RTR, kits or parts, and there's always the second hand market. I have to say that my own, personal knowledge has expanded exponentially since joining this forum, and it is a shame that more people don't take advantage of such facilities which are freely available.

Maybe I "doth protest too much" but I'll continue to buy the occasional (and inexpensive!) RTR for immediate gratification and build from my extensive collection of kits (which, as you say, will never all get built) to satisfy my creative needs.

Brian
 

Compton castle

Western Thunderer
I completely agree Pete, not all of us have the skills to attack an etch kit and the more 7mm modellers coming in to the scale are probably coming up from 4mm and are more used too opening boxes. The RTR that's now available is drawing more in to the scale.
I agree that we all have to start somewhere but my issue is I have commissioned professional builders to build for me and all my loco's need to be a set standard, having said that I feel confident in my ability to tackle a JLTRT kit and the class 22 will be the first one I've built loads of plastic kits over the years and I'm happy hacking RTR models about.

Talking about Easy to build highly detailed kits I have about 40 Guys who would buy a class 47 kit form Just Like The Real thing!!!?????
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Brand-new-O-gauge-class-47-kit/363146810554370?ref=bookmarks
 

Ian G

Western Thunderer
It took me 60 hours to build my 1st MMP dogfish, then when I had a 6 pack it took 40 hours to build 2 at once, then 2 weeks to paint and weather, averaging 2 - 3 hours a night.

Ian G
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
As noted above some people like to make, some people do not and a great many others feel they cannot.

One aspect missed when comparing kits to RTR, is tools, these alone can cost quite a lot, I know and accept some can make models with a bent nail and an old butchers knife, but the majority of people need tools and that cost can mount up, in addition there's finishing off, one may be a an accomplished model maker but fall foul of painting and lining or lettering etc, then you have to pay someone else to do that on top. Even if you do it yourself, there's still cost in paint, decals and weathering etc, all these cost's seem to be brushed under the carpet in the Kit verses RTR debates.

With RTR all bar the number it's all done for you.

When it comes to UK interests I'm all for scratch build or CAD work to aid scratch build or heavily modified kits, yet for my US interests I'll take RTR OOTB with little hesitation. I know many others who practice the same but in different interest pools

Overall I dislike RTR viz kit or scratch building debates, they're pointless, so long as your happy doing what you want to do, then it's only fair to let others practice their 'religion'.

Everyone is different and there's room for all.
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Agreed, Mickoo. As I said, I build or buy according to my whim of the moment. The only point I was making was that cost becomes a greater concern if one does not have the ability or the tools to build one's own.

Brian
 

Scale7JB

Western Thunderer
I have to say I've spent years building up my stock, as have a lot of people, and now I quite like the idea of playing with them! :D

JB.
 

pete waterman

Western Thunderer
I bought four NMRS Model BR/SR 40 T Seacows and knew I was in trouble when I saw the name Collage Models on the brass parts. This makes this kit well 25 years old. To say I wasted £250 is an under statement. The fold up hopper is imposable the rivet's along the top are etched the wrong way round and the body is wider the under frame And that just for a start !
 

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