Chat GPT - Beware

SimonT

Western Thunderer
You should also be aware the ChatGPT and the other crowd pleasing AIs are being used to steal social media log-ons. At the moment it is celebrity accounts, but watch out.
 

simond

Western Thunderer
AI has its place, it is a useful tool, but is, of course, treated as a panacea or a pariah dependent on which side of the line one finds oneself. I have used the online ones several times to summarise reports and I find them acceptable, certainly quick.

DO beware of nonsense posted as fact. They are getting better in this regard, but are still capable of posting utter tosh as accepted wisdom.
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
A lot of AI as seen on fb pages is based on theft. I enclose an example with my photo below...
WEB Ffestiniog North 37114.jpg

This AI aerial view creation is very clever. Seeing as AI had no idea what was not in the scene on the LH side, it conjured up a road where the field and scrap yard should be and has converted the grey mountains of slate waste into a green rolling landscape. In real life, the road below the bridge continues with cottages typical of the area until it meets the main road coming down from the Crimea Pass. Even my caption accompanied it with some flowering added...
WEB Ffestiniog AI  1.jpg
 

simond

Western Thunderer
I can see why that would be annoying Larry, but the AI isn't the thief, anymore than a camera or photocopier is.
The thief is the person who used the tool to create the image using stolen data.

As you say, it has done a reasonable job of creating a plausible (if wholly inaccurate) landscape.

best
Simon
 

adrian

Flying Squad
I can see why that would be annoying Larry, but the AI isn't the thief, anymore than a camera or photocopier is.
The thief is the person who used the tool to create the image using stolen data.
That's getting too much into semantics now - the alternative view is that AI is the thief as the image was obviously used to train the model, the user creating the photo was just creating a photo from the tools supplied. If someone robs someone of their money and you subsequently use the money they "gave to you" then are you the thief? Or are they still the thief and you are guilty of handling stolen property?

I would suggest that is far as we need to go on the public side of the forum as others will be getting bored of this, quite happy to continue any discussion in a PM, my scepticism is based on return on investment, and inability to learn or reason. I have several examples but I don't want to start posting Matlab code on a model railway forum hence PM for further discussion if really really bothered about it.

Yes there can be useful cases for AI, as Richard (?) has very ably demonstrated by creating realistic back scenes but that is probably the limit for discussion on the forum.
It also added an extra class 37 on the rear.
The last tank wagon looks extremely suspect as well - overly long and a curious number of wheels - the bogies more akin to the Class 37 behind it rather than the tank wagons in front of it.
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Hmm. This is an issue, and I speak as the conservator of Tim Mills' and other collections. At the lowest level the problem as I see it is to whom do I go to claim copyright infringement? So far any infringement has been accidental and after raising the matter has been quickly followed by an apology. Does the inclusion of the copyright statement make any difference? Will it scare any potential pirate off? In view of the low £ value of any such infringement in our somewhat rarefied world I rather doubt it.

Brian
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
AI will bring nothing but the demise of reality in everything it's involved with, the harm it will cause will far out way any benefits not to mention putting millions out of work, and as they always say, the poor get poorer whilst those with the most get fatter !
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Hmm. This is an issue, and I speak as the conservator of Tim Mills' and other collections. At the lowest level the problem as I see it is to whom do I go to claim copyright infringement? So far any infringement has been accidental and after raising the matter has been quickly followed by an apology. Does the inclusion of the copyright statement make any difference? Will it scare any potential pirate off? In view of the low £ value of any such infringement in our somewhat rarefied world I rather doubt it.

Brian
Agree it is something that needs to be considered as a custodian/conservator. All I can say in terms of WT is that the robots scraping websites for their data are only registered as guests - as such they have no logon permissions so from WT all they will be able to scrape are the small resolution thumbnail images. The full size images are only seen by members logged onto the forum.
 

RichardG

Western Thunderer
Yes there can be useful cases for AI, as Richard (?) has very ably demonstrated by creating realistic back scenes but that is probably the limit for discussion on the forum.

Yes, it was me. The AI tool (ChatGPT) was in the hands of my mate, he is an entrepreneur with artistic talents and the same engineering degree as me. He is well-prepared to get results out of the system. The AI created some backscene elements reminiscent of the real place, but not a perfect rendition. This works for me; I think the degree of compromise suits a layout only two metres long.

BUT when I have tried AI myself, the results have been very mixed. I was invited to submit a piece for the next Guild News. I wrote my words, then put them into ChatGPT to see it it could tidy things up a bit. This time, it offered me a "full rewrite in the style of a model railway editorial". I had to give this a try, and what I got back was just like reading a product review in one of the High Street magazines. All of the immediacy and soul of the piece was lost. I did a rewind, the AI got to give me some commas and I think "constructed from styrene" (this sounded like a token cliche), the rest was mine.

Aside from a backscene and some cheap and cheerful proofreading, I don't like it, I don't like it one little bit. Modelling should be a creative and constructive activity, with the modeller using their own mind to make their own compromises and interpretations. I don't really see AI helping me much more with my modelling nor on WT.
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Agree it is something that needs to be considered as a custodian/conservator. All I can say in terms of WT is that the robots scraping websites for their data are only registered as guests - as such they have no logon permissions so from WT all they will be able to scrape are the small resolution thumbnail images. The full size images are only seen by members logged onto the forum.
Thank you Adrian. That's really comforting. It's worth noting as well that, apart from one occasion when one of my photos popped up the photos - have never been compromised so thanks to all for the confidence that inspires. The one that was reproduced was on WT and used in error as the details of the originator had been lost. Having explained that the photo was my copyright an apology followed immediately and that's good enough for me.

Thanks to all the readers on WT for respecting copyright.

Brian
 
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