AJC
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Yes, it's the Bachmann one - dad has the MSE version and a Cambrian. I know that there's the Chivers' kit out there as well but four is certainly too many!
Adam
4mm An EM Workbench - a handful of wagons (not built by me)
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Yes, it's the Bachmann one - dad has the MSE version and a Cambrian. I know that there's the Chivers' kit out there as well but four is certainly too many!
Adam
AJC
Western Thunderer
It is a common affliction, which is strange, given how much hassle the things are; all those brake shoes, handrails, lamps...
Adam
AJC
Western Thunderer
A host of lamp irons. I seem to have been making these for weeks, but it's one of those jobs, yet again, that once you're in a groove, you may as well keep going. So first the aft of the tender for my M&GN 0-6-0. These are all folded over from shim per Iain Rice's little sketches and soldered to a length of 0.45mm wire being pinned into the back of the tender. Yes, the plates are completely wrong, but unaccountably no one does M&GN tender plates, though under paint you'll never tell, and their presence is necessary.
Note that the top iron protrudes further out because of the flare of the tender. You can see the same thing on the bunker of my Mainline/High Level pannier whose prototype was subject to Eastleigh's ministrations, so got Southern pattern irons to go with the GW ones, including GW-pattern in SR positions. GW irons via Masokits, plain from scrap etch.
At the front end, only the smokebox has it's full compliment - note that the centre iron is slightly further forward than the outer pair on these. On 8745 (and two Weymouth engines, 7780 and 7782), the SR position irons were mounted on the smokebox by means of a pair of triangular brackets. Ugly, but fun to model.
Obviously, there's more of these, but how many do you really need to see?
Adam
Note that the top iron protrudes further out because of the flare of the tender. You can see the same thing on the bunker of my Mainline/High Level pannier whose prototype was subject to Eastleigh's ministrations, so got Southern pattern irons to go with the GW ones, including GW-pattern in SR positions. GW irons via Masokits, plain from scrap etch.
At the front end, only the smokebox has it's full compliment - note that the centre iron is slightly further forward than the outer pair on these. On 8745 (and two Weymouth engines, 7780 and 7782), the SR position irons were mounted on the smokebox by means of a pair of triangular brackets. Ugly, but fun to model.
Obviously, there's more of these, but how many do you really need to see?
Adam
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AJC
Western Thunderer
All the footplate irons on now, the offsets are odd, but prototypical.
Again per the late Rice, I’ve opened out the injector detail under the tank and fitted new buffers. I should probably be working on other things but it’s quite satisfying to work up the detail on several things at once.
Adam
Again per the late Rice, I’ve opened out the injector detail under the tank and fitted new buffers. I should probably be working on other things but it’s quite satisfying to work up the detail on several things at once.
Adam
AJC
Western Thunderer
These are quite nice. The SR-liveried vehicles were a win on eBay for very little money and will go in the '30s freight train, or perhaps a subsidiary cattle special (an excuse for a second brakevan)?
Anyway, the two cattle wagons are very nice scratchbuilds in plastic sheet. They must be of an age going on the fittings which are a mix of ABS (for the LSWR one) and Kenline, I think - the SR, Maunsell, van has GWR axleboxes. The Hornby one in BR livery is awaiting better brakeshoes nearer the wheels than the chaps from Margate offer and I suppose I now have a use for the rest of the ABS brakeshoes I have for that project.
These two basically want new couplings and maybe some attention to the lettering before commissioning. The gunpowder van is pure Adrian Swain and very nice it is too. I'm not at all sure that the tare number should actually be where it is, but I can change that...
Oh, there was a Ratio van with these as well, which has been allocated to Sodor, or rather, will be, just as soon as I've sorted out sticking the roof on.
Adam
Anyway, the two cattle wagons are very nice scratchbuilds in plastic sheet. They must be of an age going on the fittings which are a mix of ABS (for the LSWR one) and Kenline, I think - the SR, Maunsell, van has GWR axleboxes. The Hornby one in BR livery is awaiting better brakeshoes nearer the wheels than the chaps from Margate offer and I suppose I now have a use for the rest of the ABS brakeshoes I have for that project.
These two basically want new couplings and maybe some attention to the lettering before commissioning. The gunpowder van is pure Adrian Swain and very nice it is too. I'm not at all sure that the tare number should actually be where it is, but I can change that...
Oh, there was a Ratio van with these as well, which has been allocated to Sodor, or rather, will be, just as soon as I've sorted out sticking the roof on.
Adam
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Yorkshire Dave
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AJC
Western Thunderer
There were quite a few - perhaps a dozen panniers, for example. The three locos noted above (7780, 7782, 8745), all the Folkestone panniers had the extra lamp irons, but I don't think the latter had the GWR type irons as well. 4666 got an SR pattern battery box for its AWS, too. There were also several - I haven't checked how many - Standard 4 4-6-0s. It's not really a surprise given that they were, by that point, Southern Region engines, but operating in WR sheds (Weymouth), or inheriting their allocations (Yeovil). That said, the 45xx and 4575s on those allocations weren't so treated, so I can only assume that they weren't sent to Eastleigh while the panniers and Std 4s were.
Here's 75003:
And 75000 (both Yeovil engines, as it happens):
Note that both only had the GW pattern irons in SR positions.
The more you look, the more you get to see.
Adam
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AJC
Western Thunderer
A few little tweaks. The numbering/lettering needs correction, and photos in SR wagons volume 1 show the label clip. So I’ve added that, my standard three links, and given the treads of the wheels a good clean. After a clean up, I’ll put some rivets on the roof before a touch up and re-lettering. The LSWR cattle wagon is a diagram 1506, apparently and now that has had a new pair of wheels and couplings, is ready for the road, but that doesn't look noticeably different!
Adam
Adam
AJC
Western Thunderer
A bit destructive. Wheels and (horrid), Kenline vac' pipes are gone, perfectly passable brake fittings still there.
I thought I’d see if I could replace the incorrect GWR pattern axleguards easily. The answer is broadly yes - the builder, very neatly, popped the ABS (I’m pretty sure), castings in little plasticard pockets - and they eased out without much effort. I have found a set of W irons so that much is simple, but it reveals that the solebars are too widely spaced, but cutting them out and replacing them is actually simple and I could reuse the brakegear (unless I have the right type in some other way, entirely plausibly. That really is no more than a couple of evening's work and since the body sides would merit a little more detailing, that's fine - it's good quality work for its time worth saving, though there is a little thumb print bottom right.
Finally, the wheels, not a type I'd seen. They look like Jacksons, but the needle bearings are new on me. Any ideas?
Adam
I thought I’d see if I could replace the incorrect GWR pattern axleguards easily. The answer is broadly yes - the builder, very neatly, popped the ABS (I’m pretty sure), castings in little plasticard pockets - and they eased out without much effort. I have found a set of W irons so that much is simple, but it reveals that the solebars are too widely spaced, but cutting them out and replacing them is actually simple and I could reuse the brakegear (unless I have the right type in some other way, entirely plausibly. That really is no more than a couple of evening's work and since the body sides would merit a little more detailing, that's fine - it's good quality work for its time worth saving, though there is a little thumb print bottom right.
Finally, the wheels, not a type I'd seen. They look like Jacksons, but the needle bearings are new on me. Any ideas?
Adam
James Spooner
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AJC
Western Thunderer
Two SR cattle wagons. The Hornby one has had new brakeshoes from ABS/Modelstock, with the holes in the floor opened out to suit, and about half a mil' off the bottom, spaced out by about 60 thou' from the solebar.
I'm not sure how many had tiebars between the axleboxes: it either needs replacing or removing as it's a bit wavy. This one doubles my fleet of cattle wagons (for the BR period), by the way; you either need a whole train or just a couple.
The scratchbuilt one has had the whole underframe removed and in the process of replacement. New W irons and wheels, with solebars in the correct place.
Adam
I'm not sure how many had tiebars between the axleboxes: it either needs replacing or removing as it's a bit wavy. This one doubles my fleet of cattle wagons (for the BR period), by the way; you either need a whole train or just a couple.
The scratchbuilt one has had the whole underframe removed and in the process of replacement. New W irons and wheels, with solebars in the correct place.
Adam
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
AJC
Western Thunderer
Something for future archaeologists to find and speculate about - akin to thumbprints on Iron Age, Roman and Saxon pottery.
Ritual. Of course.
Adam
Nick C
Western Thunderer
As well as Folkestone, some of the panniers were used on ECS workings between Clapham and Waterloo for a bit (then replaced with standard 3 tanks IIRC), so they'd have had the SR irons for that. Some at least had SR irons on the front of the tanks, plus both SR and GW pattern in the other positions. What I don't know is if anything was done to the vacuum ejectors - I could imagine it being a real pain to have to go and pull all the strings on a 13 coach train whilst in the platform at Waterloo! Maybe that's why they didn't last long...There were quite a few - perhaps a dozen panniers, for example. The three locos noted above (7780, 7782, 8745), all the Folkestone panniers had the extra lamp irons, but I don't think the latter had the GWR type irons as well. 4666 got an SR pattern battery box for its AWS, too. There were also several - I haven't checked how many - Standard 4 4-6-0s. It's not really a surprise given that they were, by that point, Southern Region engines, but operating in WR sheds (Weymouth), or inheriting their allocations (Yeovil). That said, the 45xx and 4575s on those allocations weren't so treated, so I can only assume that they weren't sent to Eastleigh while the panniers and Std 4s were.
Here's 75003:
And 75000 (both Yeovil engines, as it happens):
Note that both only had the GW pattern irons in SR positions.
The more you look, the more you get to see.
Adam
AJC
Western Thunderer
Some of the same locos, of course. Not sure if they went through Ashford or Eastleigh. The lamp irons were less elaborate, but then, it's not as though GW lamps were likely to be in stock at Nine Elms or Folkestone in the way that they were at Yeovil or Weymouth!
Adam