Two plank dumb buffered wagon

Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
I came across this wagon drawing while clearing out some papers. It’s a pull out from a magazine, one of those that gets put aside for the future. I’d forgotten all about it but now, I’m going to have a go. A drawing is held by the HMRS and I’ve ordered a copy. I’m hoping that the ordered drawing will be easier to scale off from. At the moment I’m just getting things together for the build. The little bolts with nuts on the sprue (Slater’s) are slightly under the size of a 16 BA nut and will be used on the strapping and the square 14 BA nuts (home made) will be used as per the drawing.

Jon

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simond

simond

Western Thunderer
Jon,

Isn't it a two plank wagon? The lower "plank" being a curb rail?

The collection of bits looks fab!

best
Simon
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
Mike
Yes, I noticed those too, never seen nine spoke wheels before. However, I’ve ordered some eight spoke wheels from Mark Wood but there is a two month waiting period.

Jon
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
NickB said:
3D printed centre inside a turned tyre?

Nick
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A good idea but, I don’t have CAD knowledge nor a 3D printer capable of producing components that don’t have those very annoying layering lines.
I think some G3 modellers have used printed inserts in the past but can’t remember where I saw that written.

Jon
 
Mike W

Mike W

Western Thunderer
Jon Nazareth said:
A good idea but, I don’t have CAD knowledge nor a 3D printer capable ...
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I know there are some very clever people on here who do ..... and I'm sure the Mark Wood's wheel castings will come in handly for your next wagon, whatever that may be.
Mike
 
NickB

NickB

Western Thunderer
I think some G3 modellers have used printed inserts in the past but can’t remember where I saw that written.
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Umm ... I rather think there's an LNWR loco with printed plastic centres on this board. :)
Nick
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
An offer has been made to me by a G3 member to 3D print the inserts of these wagon wheels providing that I can find a good drawing. I’ve looked on the internet but can’t find anything there. I also looked at the HMRS website and ended up feeling as if my brains had been scrambled. It didn’t seem to matter what I typed into the search box, I would be shown lots and lots of photos. Apart from the scarcity of a drawing, so far, the spokes look challenging to me but, then, I’m not a whizz with cad.
So, my question to all who may read this, do any of you know of the existence of a drawing of any sort of open spoke wheel, irrespective of railway company?

Jon

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adrian

adrian

Flying Squad
Jon Nazareth said:
An offer has been made to me by a G3 member to 3D print the inserts of these wagon wheels providing that I can find a good drawing. I’ve looked on the internet but can’t find anything there. I also looked at the HMRS website and ended up feeling as if my brains had been scrambled. It didn’t seem to matter what I typed into the search box, I would be shown lots and lots of photos. Apart from the scarcity of a drawing, so far, the spokes look challenging to me but, then, I’m not a whizz with cad.
So, my question to all who may read this, do any of you know of the existence of a drawing of any sort of open spoke wheel, irrespective of railway company?
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Not found a drawing yet - although I do have a vague memory of something similar. From the drawing it looks like wrought iron spokes - so from a simple pov it's just a series of triangles between a hub and a tyre.

From : Smith and Willey - Graces Guide

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I guess buried in the depth of the Engineer there will be a drawing it did reveal this gem of an improved spoke bending machine of 1904 Page's Weekly : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
Adrian
Would you Adam and Eve it, the drawing of the wagon was/is produced by Smith and Willey! Your wheel is very similar to the one on my wagon drawing.
The plot thickens.

Jon
 
Mike W

Mike W

Western Thunderer
The RCH drawings available on a website include split spoke wheels, but I can't remember where on the net that is. However, Parliamentary Trains used to offer a range of odd wheel types so although their website appears to be down they moight be able to help with information.

Mike
 
Jon Nazareth

Jon Nazareth

Western Thunderer
Mike
I too found the two wheels on the axle and I forwarded them to Nick. Overseer has a drawing which he said that he would look up after the weekend.

Simon
I clicked on the link but couldn’t see it there.

Jon
 
simond

simond

Western Thunderer
Jon,

click on my link, then on the page it takes you to, there is an orange button to the upper right “go to download”.

Simon
 
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