Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Thanks very much Ade
Tom Mallard’s Workbench L&B Manning Wardles in 7mm scale
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ullypug
Western Thunderer
I can only echo what others have already said. Exquisite model making. You achieve a standard way above that of us mere mortals.
I can’t wait to see the finished painted engines as they are a particular favourite of mine. I’ll just have to settle for one of the Lionhart rtr offerings though!
I can’t wait to see the finished painted engines as they are a particular favourite of mine. I’ll just have to settle for one of the Lionhart rtr offerings though!
Dave Holt
Western Thunderer
Tom.
As others have already said - absolutely superb modelling. A firm favourite of mine (I was a supporter of the Lyd project, and still love to see it at the FfR), I too look forward to seeing them painted.
It really was a shame we couldn't meet up on Saturday as I very much would have enjoyed seeing the locos in the flesh, so to speak.
Dave.
As others have already said - absolutely superb modelling. A firm favourite of mine (I was a supporter of the Lyd project, and still love to see it at the FfR), I too look forward to seeing them painted.
It really was a shame we couldn't meet up on Saturday as I very much would have enjoyed seeing the locos in the flesh, so to speak.
Dave.
Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Very kind Andrew. The Lionheart offering should satisfy a lot of L&B devotees, so I hope you enjoy yours.
Tom
Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Thankyou Dave,
I passed LYD while travelling on the FR back in 2013 and as I hadn't expected it did a real life double-take!
I too was very disappointed that Saturday's meeting had to be put off as it would have made a very pleasant change to staring at specks of metal. Maybe some other time.
Best regards
Tom
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Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Another chunk of time to review, revise, add to, clean and check prior to masking and then the tense job of spraying primer. I use two part etching primer in this fetching khaki hue. I really like the flat finish as all the details become much more noticeable just like photographic grey. The spraying so far has been a little more forgiving than imagined, so long as the paint is kept nice and thin (about 1 part paint/2 parts etch thinners/1 part cellulose thinners) and the nozzle and needle periodically cleaned during spraying it mostly went OK.
The valvegear has been a chore to get functioning correctly but I think I am about there.
I will have to think about which type of paint I am going to use on the chassis. Cellulose is so nice with the super quick drying time. For the bodywork I am limiting myself to commercially available SR Maunsell green enamel from Phoenix Precision Paints. I've often used their paint for things like bufferbeams and the red between frames and liked it so I am hopeful.
Best regards
Tom
Great Post Tom and many thanks for the update.
I wonder, why not 'cellulose' for the upperworks? It is equally effective there as on the chassis, with the added benefit that the lining can then be done in enamelsallowing correction without risk of interaction. You can get small quantities mixed in any one of 5,000 hues... should be a Maunsell green in there somewhere!
Really looking forward to seeing the finished job!
With Best Wishes,
Howard
I wonder, why not 'cellulose' for the upperworks? It is equally effective there as on the chassis, with the added benefit that the lining can then be done in enamelsallowing correction without risk of interaction. You can get small quantities mixed in any one of 5,000 hues... should be a Maunsell green in there somewhere!
Really looking forward to seeing the finished job!
With Best Wishes,
Howard
Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Howard,
Til now, I've used cellulose for the upperworks on all of the work I spray myself. Why am I changing approach? I've not got a good answer other than... In my tiny mind, enamel sounds more resistant to all sorts of things, very hardwearing, is available in the right colour off the shelf and cellulose being solvent based is reversable. I liked the permanence of enamel. It goes on top of the primer nicely, and overspray is very easy to clean up. This might be the main benefit over cellulose but is still 'not a thing' if I'm spraying enamel red bufferbeams onto a black cellulose painted engine for example. This also runs into the imagined wisdom of lining onto cellulose. I also like that compared to the solvent for spraying cellulose it is a tiny bit less harmful to me. Maybe.
There is some considerable dogma about these two paint choices which I had been swallowing for a while (maybe a couple of decades), being impressionable, young (naive), looking up to those who spout their own successful opinions and so on. One such is that cellulose can be applied more thinly when spraying. This is nonsense of course, but I have been swayed by this view for years and years. Technique dictates how thick the paint layer is. Objectively, cellulose dries more quickly and I think this is generally beneficial, but it can lead to unhelpfully quick drying of wet surfaces or wet edges before sufficient paint has been added. Being solvent based, complete removal of a failed spraying attempt is relatively simple, though enamels will very easily be dissolved before they are hard. My record for this is 7 resprays.
I have placed faith in two books - Ian Rathbones book Painting and Lining, and the well regarded book 'How (Not) to Paint a Locomotive by Christopher Vine. They both line onto enamels - once enamel is properly hardened it behaves just as cellulose does and is impervious to subsequent lining and/or weathering operations. Of couse some solvents can be relied upon to attack enamel but it takes a while. I belive turpentine can eventually dissolve it, but turpentine is quite complex and can eventually dissolve all sorts of things. Cellulose thinners will destroy an enamel finish, but none of us use this agressive solvent for lining and weathering activities.
I may yet resort to having cellulose Maunsell green mixed! As you can see, I'm quite an indecisive and fickle type - another of my super personality traits.
Well it has been quite a pleasant change writing about things other than metalwork.
Best regards
Tom
Hello Tom, many thanks for a comprehensive and interesting reply.
I did not want to come across as advocating any particular approach: since my experience has been with unlined, or simply lined liveries, I think that might have biased me in favour of cellulose since the rapid flash-off of the solvent allows many coats very quickly - or put another way: requires less skill to avoid runs and sags
But for fully-lined liveries considerations must be different; so Ian R is much the better person to sway your deliberations!
Best wishes,
Howard
I did not want to come across as advocating any particular approach: since my experience has been with unlined, or simply lined liveries, I think that might have biased me in favour of cellulose since the rapid flash-off of the solvent allows many coats very quickly - or put another way: requires less skill to avoid runs and sags
But for fully-lined liveries considerations must be different; so Ian R is much the better person to sway your deliberations!
Best wishes,
Howard
Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Something very different... Coarse scale O gauge with clockwork power. Feeling fortunate to have this opportunity though.
Drawings took 14 months to appear from Glasgow University North British archive which I don't think is really acceptable for a commercial service... They say that there was still a back log from lockdown they were working through, not helped at all by sharing a copy facility with the University.
Steel rods, no knuckle joint modeled though.
Wheels have a refined coarse scale profile and the drivers are yet to recieve crankpin holes and the square hole for the axles... Anyone out there with a 1/8" square push broach? The driving wheels are modern castings, the tender wheels from vintage (antique?) castings.
Front 4 axleboxes will have the facility to drop or move a little to assist track holding with the finer flange.
Best regards
Tom
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Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Prior to the model of CR 828 I'd designed and commenced these models of the GWR 29xx class. Destined for the other side of the world, the client and I are going for compensated engines which is fine by me as it's easier to set up and resolve.
Best regards
Tom
Brian McKenzie
Western Thunderer
Greetings Tom,
I had a similar experience, but may have been luckier than you. My £285 prepaid order took only six months - following many excuses to my gentle reminders, and long before the pandemic. However, I do appreciate they house and care for this historical material. I received superb service whenever visiting in person many years ago.
The fiendishly expensive commercial offerings £xxx would seem disappointing, requiring a 0.1285" dia oversized pilot hole to start with. The broach nicks out the corners while leaving small radii on the flats.
JYTool in Australia has 1/8" push broaches on eBay at about £50. This is markedly less than from other vendors.
1/8" Square Coating Broach Inch Size High Speed Steel Cutting Tool | eBay
A wobble or rotary broach is an alternative. This type of broach is easily made, but making the holder for it is rather more work.
Hemingway Kits offer parts for making the holder. Compact Rotary Broach - hemingwaykits.com
Some hobbyist discussions are at:
Rotary Broach Tool Design
Hiya people, The other, after reading some information on rotary broach tooling and seeing a rotary broach in action, I was having my lunch at work and thought I would try my hand at designing a rotary broach tool. In the initital rough sketch i had set out the design with a fixed MT2 Arbor...
www.homemodelenginemachinist.com
and
Rotary broaching | Model Engineer & Model Engineers Workshop
Rotary broaching inside forms, outside forms
www.model-engineer.co.uk
Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Cheers Dave, fear not - the frame extensions have stretchers, a spacer and the cylinders to help out in the end.
Tom
Tom Mallard
Western Thunderer
Thanks Brian, this is good to know. I’d wondered about the Australian supplier, and will likely follow this route. For the time being I only need to do the 6 holes on this model...Greetings Tom,
I had a similar experience, but may have been luckier than you. My £285 prepaid order took only six months - following many excuses to my gentle reminders, and long before the pandemic. However, I do appreciate they house and care for this historical material. I received superb service whenever visiting in person many years ago.
The fiendishly expensive commercial offerings £xxx would seem disappointing, requiring a 0.1285" dia oversized pilot hole to start with. The broach nicks out the corners while leaving small radii on the flats.
JYTool in Australia has 1/8" push broaches on eBay at about £50. This is markedly less than from other vendors.
1/8" Square Coating Broach Inch Size High Speed Steel Cutting Tool | eBay
A wobble or rotary broach is an alternative. This type of broach is easily made, but making the holder for it is rather more work.
Hemingway Kits offer parts for making the holder. Compact Rotary Broach - hemingwaykits.com
Some hobbyist discussions are at:
Rotary Broach Tool Design
Hiya people, The other, after reading some information on rotary broach tooling and seeing a rotary broach in action, I was having my lunch at work and thought I would try my hand at designing a rotary broach tool. In the initital rough sketch i had set out the design with a fixed MT2 Arbor...
and
Rotary broaching | Model Engineer & Model Engineers Workshop
Rotary broaching inside forms, outside forms
Tom
adrian
Flying Squad
My apologies if I've missed anything - but why do you need squared holes? As Brian mentions solutions are expensive, for all the loco's my Dad scratchbuilt not one of them used squared axles. We bought the cast iron wheels and turned them up, we then had a 3/18" taper reamer to "drill" from the rear of the wheel. The wheels were then pushed onto round axles by hand and quartered by the Mk 1 eyeball (aligning spokes). We then checked the chassis would roll correctly and then finished by pushing the wheel fully onto the axle using the lathe and tailstock to ensure everything was square and correct B2B. We never needed a squared axle - and to be a pedantic Scale7 nerd - neither did the prototype!
I'm sure you could do the same with an 1/8" taper reamer.
Brian McKenzie
Western Thunderer
Cast iron as a material may not take too kindly to broaching, especially if the wheels are to be broached full depth of the axle hole. I'd be wary of splitting a casting or wheel boss. I assume Tom is replicating some vintage practice.
Expanding on Adrian's suggestion of using a taper reamer - the taper at the end of a regular hand reamer would suffice.
(Hand reamers are easily identified by having a square at the end of the shank. Machine reamers have parallel flutes full length and no square on the shank.)
Expanding on Adrian's suggestion of using a taper reamer - the taper at the end of a regular hand reamer would suffice.
(Hand reamers are easily identified by having a square at the end of the shank. Machine reamers have parallel flutes full length and no square on the shank.)
Possibly because the axles have squared ends?My apologies if I've missed anything - but why do you need squared holes?
I'm sure you could do the same with an 1/8" taper reamer.
Those of us of an age will have seen many such axles - time was when that was all there was and one suspects that the customer might have certain requirements.
Best Wishes,
Howard