4mm Di-deitl TMD

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I guess now the PECO Rail200 board has arrived it's time to start a layout thread here. Essentially it's a very very little known Welsh BR narrow gauge depot set in the late 70's early 80's. Some specials are run by BR using preserved locos. There's a fading BR passenger service and some domestic coal traffic with general goods just about hanging on.

I understand Di-deitl could well mean "untitled" in Welsh.
Tony

 

[76043]

Got the board glued together and the trackbed cut out of 9mm ply. Hopefully you can see the mainline slopes down and the depot itself is on the flat.
Tony

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

I understand Di-deitl could well mean "untitled" in Welsh.

I'd have used an anagram of untitled - Dinettlu - looks Welsh

 

[76043]

I'd have used an anagram of untitled - Dinettlu - looks Welsh

I didn't think of it as an anagram as I wanted Untitled, because in the art world, Untitled is used when artists can't be bothered to think of a title. It's always been a homage to artist laziness.
Tony

 

[76043]

What to do about point control? It's a tiny board, so electric control is starting to seem "pointless", yes, I'm here all week....

So rod in tube or just switchy finger throw? It will eventually be DCC control.

I do have three Seep motors a bag of microswitches and a spare CDU kicking around, just need a power supply, I guess this is still an option...
Tony

 

[steve1]

Pointy finger = Digital control surely?

steve

 

[RichardG]

Maybe install the point motors now and see them working. Then take them out for the competition and put them back afterwards. Keep the Peco over-centre springs until the point motors are back for good.

 

[Jordan or Plymouth Mad]

Pointy finger = Digital control surely?

steve

Beat me to it.....

 

[76043]

Maybe install the point motors now and see them working. Then take them out for the competition and put them back afterwards. Keep the Peco over-centre springs until the point motors are back for good.

For this layout I'm trying to use up items already in stock, so my simple PM2 Seeps and keeping the spring. My stash of servo point motors are for my EM efforts, plus they don't fit under this board anyway. If I'm going to wire up the electrofrogs, I may as well stick in the Seeps.

Beat me to it.....

Is my finger DC or DCC controlled?

Cheers
Tony

 

[76043]

Ok, so the points control is likely to be Seep with Peco microswitches. The Seeps have long arms and not much height, so are perfect for the shallow baseboard.

Next up, signalling, I do want to get at least the droppers in, so this needs to be right, below are my thoughts on seventies BR practise, any good? I assumed I didn't need a colour light signal above the ground signal, but just a left arrow. The exit is protected by two 2-aspect colour light signals as an NG line would be slow speed anyway. Possibly more stop boards on the two shed roads?
Tony

 

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Tim Davies, on Flickr

At Dinas WHR, they have a ground frame controlling the two points to the headshunt. A token could enable the use of the ground frame, but a colour light stop signal would still be needed to control the running line in the trailing direction?
Tony

 

[76043]

Can anyone recommend working 4mm colour light ground signals please? I see Train-Tech, Eckon and DCC Concepts sell them.
Cheers
Tony

 

[Phil O]

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Tim Davies, on Flickr

At Dinas WHR, they have a ground frame controlling the two points to the headshunt. A token could enable the use of the ground frame, but a colour light stop signal would still be needed to control the running line in the trailing direction?
Tony

Why would you need a signal, there should be nothing else coming the other way, because you should not be able to release a 2nd token from the box, until the one in the ground frame has been put back into a token machine, assuming that you're using an Annetts key. A plain token with a frame key on it, also is the same, only one token, so only one train, previous trains may have proceeded on ticket and staff regulations.

 

[76043]

Why would you need a signal, there should be nothing else coming the other way, because you should not be able to release a 2nd token from the box, until the one in the ground frame has been put back into a token machine, assuming that you're using an Annetts key. A plain token with a frame key on it, also is the same, only one token, so only one train, previous trains may have proceeded on ticket and staff regulations.

Thank you @Phil O much appreciated. I guess for a busier depot that I am trying to portray, having one token doesn't work as it means you can only have one engine in the depot? I would therefore think I could upgrade the ground frame to an (intermediate?) block post which would allow more trains into the depot? There would only be need for a ground signal at the entrance and exit, as the main line would be protected by it being a block post?

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Tony

 

[Phil O]

Tony,

Yes, you can have a block post with signals.

 

[76043]

Tony,

Yes, you can have a block post with signals.

Thanks Phil.

 

[76043]

The build is carrying on. Ply trackbed down, cork mostly down and polystyrene down too, awaiting hacking about.
Tony

 

[76043]

More landscaping this weekend, in the garden!

 

[76043]

Found this cab view run up the WLLR, is a great reference for landscaping, showing that narrow gauge railways didn't slavishly follow the lie of the land, but had plenty of civil engineering.

 

[76043]

This is where I ended up at the end of the weekend. Paper mache well on its way, I'm following Gordon Gravett's advice in his Modelling Landscape book. I have made a recess for the ground frame box, and in my world the sighting for the signalman is good.

Tony