Morgan's 4mm Scale Workbench

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Western Thunderer
Hello all,

I'm not really sure where to start but start I will. My good mate Mike G puts me to shame with the amount of content he posts and it's about time I posted something on here. I hope people will find it of interest. I have posted stuff on other places in the past but I got a little disillusioned with the way stuff disappeared after site crashes. I hope that does not happen here. Perhaps then I'll start with a couple of projects of LNER interest that are currently on my workbench. They are both coaches and one is very old. So old in fact that I cannot recall when I started it. Let's start with that.

Project 1 - A Gresley buffet car to D.167

This is a model of the D.167 as rebuilt by BR in, I think, 1958. The basis is Bill Bedford sides with the remaining parts of the body from MJT (floor pan, ends, roof etc...). I elected to scratch build the angle iron underframe from 1.2mm brass angle as it is very much closer to scale and far lighter than the MJT castings. The remainder of the underframe is a "bitsa" and I'm not sure how accurate it is for the D.167 rebuilds. Lots of studying photos has come up with the current arrangement and the advent of some excellent 3D printed parts from FK3D has allowed this project to finally reach the stage where I think it can be completed. I also was dissatisfied with the original bogies that I built for this coach. These were Bill Bedford sprung units. I didn't like that part of the functional bogie frame was visible above the cosmetic Gresley HD bogie side and I never seemed to get the ride height to something that was acceptable to me. I decided to scrap the bogies and start again with MJT torsion bar CCUs but with one notable difference. The press stud arrangement on MJT CCUs has, in my opinion, always been a weak point and maybe that is because of variability in the press studs rather than it being a bad idea. I've had problems with derailments on other bogie stock equipped with them and, also, after a few years I was finding that the solder joint on the single torsion bars were failing. The solution has been the excellent twin torsion bar conversion kits from Palatine Models. Having re-equipped the aforesaid bogie stock with them they have been thoroughly reliable. This has pushed me firmly back towards this type of bogie for my coaching stock, especially on stuff with Gresley bogies. Anyway, enough of the background here are a few photos. The latest work has been detailing the ends and building the Masokits corridor connectors. They work really well with Kaydee couplers but are quite fiddly to build.

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Next job is to complete the headstock detail. I'm not going to worry about anything between the buffers as this coach will sit in the middle of a rake of my Bachmann Mk1 stock that currently lives at Robin Whittle's Barrow Road, but, I will make a representation of the extension collar hanging on the corners. I then need to finish off the roof detail and contrive a way of fixing the roof. The current plan is to use some lengths of clear rod (Lexan) to act as pillars between roof and floor with some sort of mechanical screw fixing. As an aside I recently acquired at auction some coaches built by Steve Banks. They are nice but all the roofs were loose because the glue had given up the ghost.

More soon....

Cheers...Morgan
 

45609

Western Thunderer
Thanks Nigel. It will be painted in BR Maroon with black ends. In other words as it would have been just out of the works after rebuilding. I’m not sure whether to put a BR coach totem on it. I’ve seen a similar BR rebuilt Gresley restaurant car with one but not the D.167. Most of my research has been based on looking at photos from the late 60s, 1970s or of the many that found their way into preservation. They all seem to be a little bit different in terms of underframe fit out and it is very hard to determine what changes were done in their later lives. If someone could pull out a period photo of E9124E I’d be very grateful.
 

James Spooner

Western Thunderer
I’m not sure I can help there although Steve Banks has a photo on his website of W9118E (which I’m pretty sure was D167) in maroon but without the totem, if that is of any use.

Nigel
 

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
That's a very neat looking coach, Morgan.
The bogies now look fine. I bought an ex-demonstration Gresley brake third and fitted Masokits sprung bogies but have never got round to adding the MJT cast sides. I'm now rather drawn to the new Rumney bogies, which I think are the light type, so perhaps not appropriate for a restaurant car?
Looking forward to further posts on WT.
Dave.
 

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Western Thunderer
Thanks Dave. The Rumney Gresley bogies are nice and would be just right for a brake third. You're right the catering vehicles had heavy duty bogies. I actually did the test etch build of this for Justin and if I recall they have the spring detail etched as part of the bogie so the MJT sides might need thinning a little. I think Justin was considering a 3D printed side frame so it might be worth asking him about that.
 
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45609

Western Thunderer
I’m not sure I can help there although Steve Banks has a photo on his website of W9118E (which I’m pretty sure was D167) in maroon but without the totem, if that is of any use.

Nigel
Thanks Nigel, yes I've seen that photo. I've only seen a couple of other photos in Maroon. This one being the best....


Dated 1963, it looks freshly overhauled. I think my default will be no totem but unfortunately this photo does not confirm the fact for a late 1950s condition. There does not appear to be any real pattern to it's application on Gresley vehicles. There is a photo in the Banks/Carter book (page 190) of a D.258 ex Flying Scotsman PV Buffet Lounge Car, E1853E, fresh out of the works in 1959 after conversion by BR to a Buffet Car with the totem. However, this is not a D.167 and maybe had a higher status from it's previous use. Anyway, I'm a long way off painting yet so the research continues...
 
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Bulldog3444

Active Member
Morgan,
The coach is looking very good, and I am pleased to see someone else using the Palatine Models conversion kits for MJT bogies.

In the past I have had soldered joints fail on the MJT sideframes, which is quite a problem once the cast sides have been added. I also find that some of the press stud mountings on MJT bogies can be rather stiff.

The Palatine conversions allow a simpler central bolt fixing, and keep the torsion bar joints accessible.

Thanks for posting - it’s always helpful to see how other people tackle projects.
Ian
 

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Western Thunderer
Thanks Ian, my apologies for not acknowledging your post back in October last.

I promised "more soon..." but how soon is now? You'll get that if you're a fan of the Smiths. The reality is I've been without a proper work room since early November last year. I embarked on a complete refurbishment of the room which has involved replastering, new floor, wall to ceiling cabinets, etc... It's taken much longer than expected but with a tail wind should be complete enough to use by the end of the coming weekend. I'm itching to get back to it as a recent railway trip has energised me to get stuck in again. A little bit of kitchen table modelling just isn't cutting the mustard.

Cheers...Morgan
 

Dave F.

Western Thunderer
Hi Morgan, yes one needs a room to work in, you can put things down and shut the door till the next session or even nip in and do something whilst 'Corry' is on or even 'Come Dancing' and heaven forebid 'Eurovision'...
Good luck getting started again.
Nice Gresley too.

Dave F.
 

Graeme King

Active Member
I've never had a permanent work room, but I do have a remarkably tolerant and understanding wife so my extended occupation at times of the "dining" table works well enough...
 

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Western Thunderer
Hi Graeme,

Glad to hear you’ve an understanding and tolerant wife. I have one of those too and she has allowed me to convert the dining room to my workroom/library/railway room although I don’t think she has fully realised the last bit yet. On second thoughts she probably has and is just double bluffing me.

My worktop arrived this morning and has been cut into two pieces, trimmed and scribed to the walls/cabinet. Tomorrow will be crunch time while I try to remember how to use my worktop jig.

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I’m looking forward to getting back to modelling instead of DIY.

Cheers…Morgan
 

45609

Western Thunderer
Well, I'm in. :D

It took slightly longer than anticipated and caused some anxiety along the way. A combination of dodging showers over the weekend while trying to rout the worktop joint in the garden. A very near disaster when cutting the female half of the joint due to a flaw in my worktop jig. I bought it cheap in a clearance sale a few years ago and now I know why. It's gone in the bin. Then I dropped the male half on the floor this morning while trying to figure out the best assembly method. It caused lots of foul language for 1, being an idiot and 2, having a sore foot/leg as I tried to break it's fall. It wasn't entirely successful but a very slight chip on the edge has been repaired with the jointing compound that came with it. After that, I contacted my mate Robin (@barrowroad) and he came around to give me a hand this afternoon. Thanks! I have to say I'm very pleased with the result. There are still a few small finishing off jobs, the most obvious being the modelling light, but I now have the workroom I've always wanted.

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It is my work place too but, ssshhh.... the less said about that the better. :(

Cheers...Morgan
 
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